Do you think internal disorder is unlikely? There’s broad disinterest in helping the Palestinians in any way, but Israeli society disagrees about nearly everything else.

I think disagreements in Israeli society are relatively weak insofar as they all adhere to a common vision of Israel as a Jewish apartheid state. As long as there’s that to unite them - and make no mistake, at BEST 37/120 Knesset seats are held by non-Zionist parties, and more realistically, 14/120 - any crisis will bring together Israeli society in defense of that core existential concern.

Political disputes will continue, to very strong degrees. But there isn’t going to be some mass defection from the core existential idea of Israel or Israeli sovereignty, including over its hypermilitarized state.

My point isn’t that they’d glass the Middle East, my point is that the threat of even small-scale nuclear warfare is enough to ensure that Israel might be pushed back from imperialist projects, but never existentially threatened without massive internal disorder.

I would argue that the Levant is the least likely region of the Middle East to change with the coming decline in oil.

Uh, many occupations have done so, simply by genociding everyone of the ‘wrong’ ethnicity in the area.

‘Good’ doesn’t always win. The world is not inherently just.

We might not fully invade enemies often, but the Arabs definitely have.

The days of massive Pan-Arab socialist coalitions are over, and even back when they were still a threat, Israel beat them off pretty handily without significant US support.

Threats to Israel at this point are largely not existential, and if they were changed to existential threats, further radicalization seems more likely than redress and reconciliation. Especially considering Israel’s nuclear program.

The original 97 Berserk anime (though the first episode is very weak), Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex, Black Lagoon (though it has definite… weak arcs which get too animesque), Girls Last Tour, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, Space Dandy, and Pop-Team Epic, (roughly sorted from most serious to least) are all excellent series.

Ghost in the Shell, Jin-Roh, Perfect Blue, and Princess Mononoke (really, anything by Miyazaki) are all fantastic anime movies.

I can add, as guilty or semi-guilty pleasures, Canaan and Tsukikage Ran.

What is your threshold for often?

When was the last time a country with a functioning military was overthrown by outside intervention?

I guess we can count Iraq, though that requires connecting the First Gulf War and the Second, since the First Gulf War is when the Iraqi military was last seriously functioning.

The best way to punish them is to give Isreali left wingers and “out” which allows them a path back to normalcy so they can take political power and condition that with punishment of high ranking war criminals and a two state solution. But this cant really happen due to the current US admin.

I think you overestimate the appetite of the Israeli left-wing for normalcy, a serious two-state solution, or punishing war criminals. Like I said, at best, you’ll get a handful of offenders from internal politiking. But the chance of there being some punishment for any significant percentage of the very large number of very active and intentional orchestrators of this genocide is… small. Zionism is unlikely to be meaningfully repulsed by anything but time, and that’s assuming a best-case-scenario that the problem doesn’t intensify.

People will fight to the death if they’re backed into a corner but they will throw a few people under the bus if given a path out.

Again, I consider that covered under my “Slobodan Milošević” scenario. Don’t get me wrong, seeing Bibi die in a prison cell would be based and hilarious. But even that would only be a drop of water in the ocean of blood.

But if by Zionists you mean anyone who wants isreal to exists then you are backing isrealis in to corner and guaranteeing the conflict continue to be played out.

By Zionists, I presumed it was meant those who see Israel’s existence as an explicitly Jewish apartheid state as core to its continuation. And as long as Israel remains Zionist in that sense, this shit will keep happening. Ethnostates are notoriously amiable to the whole lebensraum idea, regardless of whether it’s currently-occupied territory they’re looking at, or potentially occupied territory - or both.

Israel is one of the worlds most powerful militaries, if they wanted to get things over as quickly as possible they could have polished Gaza off on October the 8th.

Considering that the brutality of this war has only been matched by its incompetence, not so sure that’s correct.

Without that, they wouldn’t constantly be attacking other countries.

I don’t know that I agree. At this point, I think between the instability of their neighbors and the built-up siege-state of Israel itself, it would continue acting like a rogue state even if the US cut off funding.

Which is not to say that we shouldn’t cut off funding - we absolutely should. And extend that ‘umbrella’ of protection to Israel’s neighbors, not Israel, which might at least reduce blatant incursions.

But I suspect that the response of Israel to reduced or eliminated US support would be to become even more militarized, not less.

We can’t. At least while the USA is a thing.

Even if the US wasn’t a thing, punishing Zionists wouldn’t be possible without subduing Israel through a literal war. Something which is not often attempted.

At best, we’d have the half-ass ‘punishment’ levied on states like Taliban-ruled Afghanistan, Djibouti, and North Korea, wherein the primary punishment is “It’s slightly harder and more expensive for the elite to get their precious foreign luxuries.”

Don’t get me wrong, that’s better than nothing. It’s just…

Prevention is generally a more fruitful avenue than punishment, when it comes to international polities and ideologies even with just regional majorities.

The chance of seeing genocidal cunts swing, or even acknowledge their wrongdoing, are generally small. Even the worst genocide of modernity, the Holocaust, had only a relatively small number of Nazis punished, despite literally every major extant power agreeing on how horrific their behavior was, and quite literally destroying all military capacity for the Nazis to resist and occupying every inch of their territory.

At most, you might get a handful of them in international courts by internal politiking, like Slobodan Milošević, but even then we’re unlikely to see the fully ‘cathartic’ end we want. “My dad is a war criminal” will still be sung proudly.

Dungeon Meshi/Delicious in Dungeon.

Me and my friends are picky about anime, but they all swear by it. I haven’t gotten around to it myself, but it seems like it’s quality.

Around age 12. Graduation from High School is at 12th grade in the USA.

Not mine, I just found it online. But yes, it is disgustingly accurate XD

What’s that in metric units?

Yep. God help us.

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Oh yes, I strongly agree with all that. Just felt the need to nitpick that the contribution of Nazi scientists was relatively narrow.

Using former Nazis wasn’t because there was a shortage of educated people in general in the US after WW2. The vast majority of Nazi scientists who made major contributions to US progress (or Soviet progress, for that matter), were in rocketry, which the Nazis put disproportionate effort and funding into.

People want easy solutions, like “Have more people be born smart” instead of hard, complex, realistic ones like “Put time, effort, and resources into robust education of the population in stable familial and social environments to develop higher averages of generally recognized metrics of intelligence in the general population”

God, no. Even tabloids are generally written at an 8th grade+ level.

I remember in the very early days not getting the full ‘hype’ of “MUSK IS SO SMART”, but I enjoyed him as a “This is what happens when some ordinary dweeb becomes incredibly wealthy - he wants to throw money at space and technology. That’s neat.”

His PR guys must’ve done a good job at keeping the worst of his tendencies behind closed doors - or at least further than most casual observers would look. Around the time of the ‘pedo guy’ incident it began to unravel for me. Curious that a social media addiction undid all the work of his PR team.