This is an open question on how to get the masses to care…

Unfortunately, if other people don’t protect their privacy it affects those who do, because we’re all connected (e.g. other family members, friends). So it presents a problem of how do you get people who don’t care, to care?

I started the Rebel Tech Alliance nonprofit to try to help with this, but we’re still really struggling to convert people who have never thought about this.

(BTW you might need to refresh our website a few times to get it to load - no idea why… It does have an SSL cert!)

So I hope we can have a useful discussion here - privacy is a team sport, how do we get more people to play?

  • hansolo@lemm.ee
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    1 day ago

    There’s several overlapping problems:

    First, that the problem is complex. It’s not just “Microsoft bad.” There’s a turducken lasagna of layered problems that make it hard for the average person to wrap their heads around the issue.

    Next, there’s no direct monetary incentive. You can’t say “you lose $500 a year because data brokers know your address.” Most people also have relied their whole lives on free email, so the average person in already in “debt” in terms of trade offs already.

    You’re also starting from a point of blaming the victim in a way. It’s the same problem companies have with cybersecurity, blaming everyone except the executive that didn’t know the risks of skimping on cyber budgets. Hiding the problem to avoid public shame is the natural human response.

    Finally, that resolving the problem is fucking hard. I know, we all know, it’s a constantly moving target that requires at the very least moderate technical skill. My partner wants to have more privacy online, but would rather have conveniences in many cases. And has zero patience for keeping up with changes, so I have to be a CISO for a household. So the average person, and the average household, does not have the skillset to care “effectively” if they wanted to.

    • Paddy66@lemmy.mlOP
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      10 hours ago

      First of all, it’s May 4th so happy Star Wars day Han Solo!

      Your points land… hard. Yes it is so messed up that privacy has been pushed on the end user as ‘their problem to fix with consent choice’. As you all know here it’s not a real choice.

      Yes this should all be solved at the regulatory / gov level, but whilst the EU has been doing some great things recently, and the US has just kicked Apple and Google and Meta in the balls for antitrust, it’s never enough - there’s just too much lobbying and money washing around.

      So, sadly, it does come down to the individual. My position is “if huge numbers of people starve the system of their behavioural data, then the surveillance economy is less effective, and perhaps other business models will have a chance”. Do you think that holds water?

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      15 hours ago

      The data broker one is kind of week though addresses have never been private. I mean we used to give everyone a book with everyone’s address and phone number. Also anyone could look up who owns what land you would have to do some serious stuff to hide owning some land and most people are not going to do that.