I see what they’re saying but I don’t think they put it right, and I don’t think it applies to this post either way.
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
Needless to say artistic value isn’t measured by the amount of intent. It does makes sense that the guy above meant intent when they said value though
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Hence to me “The lack of artistic value/intent” seems to be more of a justification for not liking ai art (edit: meant this post specifically, not ai art in general), not the reason of it
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
I disagree. The fact that art includes the intended bits, as well as the unintended ones makes it so interesting IMHO. The fact that you always put a little piece of yourself (as well as your artistic abilities) into the art is amazing and impossible to recreate from a machine.
Take the sanic meme, or “It’s Friday” by Rebecca Black. None of these people wanted to make “bad” art, but they still put it out there and the imperfection made the pieces so popular.
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Even the worst webcomic carries more artistic intent than some AI slop. You can clearly measure the “artistic intent” of whateis contained in AI slop: it’s the prompt. If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”, then the artistic intent is “make a funny comic” (and maaaaybe all the other prompts beforehand that I didn’t want to propagate).
“Putting a piece of yourself” is magical thinking to me. Ai makes mistakes too and when it does people rant endlessly about how useless it is and that is what people used to call ‘slop’. If a human making the mistake makes it desirable instead then this is once again not the reason but a justification.
If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”
But that’s the issue, you don’t know what oop prompted to make this. They could have been arbitrarily simple or elaborate with what they asked and you couldn’t tell beyond that they were happy with this result enough to post it. And I’d argue the amount of intent in a prompt is still independent of its length as they could’ve tried longer descriptions and found that the results of shorter ones align with what they seek better.
I choose to believe the joke came from them and given that this is an internet meme that exists to deliver the joke, I don’t dwell on the visuals.
I see what they’re saying but I don’t think they put it right, and I don’t think it applies to this post either way.
Intent is a concious thought. Just because the artist had an intent while making the art doesn’t imbue every detail with the intent. Every subconsious microdecision doesn’t necessarily align with the artist’s intent and neither could I hope to extract meaningful information from them. I can only understand what the artist intentionally put in there. But I get what they’re saying, there are countless conscious decisions an artist makes while making their thing.
Needless to say artistic value isn’t measured by the amount of intent. It does makes sense that the guy above meant intent when they said value though
Anyhow, IMO the visuals of a meme is the last place to seek artistic intent. Especially with these ‘joke with visual assist’ kinds of memes the grand majority of artisitc intent is the joke with the visuals being a tool to adapt it to a visual medium. If anything I think the visuals of this meme have more artistic intent than the recurring characters of a webcomic strip telling a joke to each other.
Hence to me “The lack of artistic value/intent” seems to be more of a justification for not liking ai art (edit: meant this post specifically, not ai art in general), not the reason of it
I disagree. The fact that art includes the intended bits, as well as the unintended ones makes it so interesting IMHO. The fact that you always put a little piece of yourself (as well as your artistic abilities) into the art is amazing and impossible to recreate from a machine.
Take the sanic meme, or “It’s Friday” by Rebecca Black. None of these people wanted to make “bad” art, but they still put it out there and the imperfection made the pieces so popular.
Even the worst webcomic carries more artistic intent than some AI slop. You can clearly measure the “artistic intent” of whateis contained in AI slop: it’s the prompt. If I prompt an AI “Make a funny comic”, then the artistic intent is “make a funny comic” (and maaaaybe all the other prompts beforehand that I didn’t want to propagate).
“Putting a piece of yourself” is magical thinking to me. Ai makes mistakes too and when it does people rant endlessly about how useless it is and that is what people used to call ‘slop’. If a human making the mistake makes it desirable instead then this is once again not the reason but a justification.
But that’s the issue, you don’t know what oop prompted to make this. They could have been arbitrarily simple or elaborate with what they asked and you couldn’t tell beyond that they were happy with this result enough to post it. And I’d argue the amount of intent in a prompt is still independent of its length as they could’ve tried longer descriptions and found that the results of shorter ones align with what they seek better.
I choose to believe the joke came from them and given that this is an internet meme that exists to deliver the joke, I don’t dwell on the visuals.