• blarghly@lemmy.world
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    Hot take: women aren’t insecure about their bodies because of advertising campaigns. They are insecure about their bodies because of real social consequences they face from the people in their everyday lives.

    People treat you better when you look nice. This isn’t morally “right” or “fair”, but it is true. Intuitively or explicitly, women recognize this, and put effort into meeting society’s expectations of them. If all women woke up tomorrow and said “I am completely at peace with how my body looks”, the beauty industry would likely be largely unaffected, because they would quickly be reminded of the second order effects that their negative self image was driving them to achieve in the first place: a good partner; a better job; more, cooler friends.

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    For some women maybe. But there are plenty of women who use makeup to express themselves creatively. They study the art either formally through school or informally online, such as through videos on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram etc.

    When explored creatively like this makeup becomes a hobby and potentially a career. It’s a valid form of expression using your face and/or body (hair and nails as well) as the canvas. It can be simple or it can be taken to the level of an art form!

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      Right, but what’s the ratio? Are there enough people who just use makeup creatively to support the global cosmetics industry?

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        As it is right now? I doubt it. But the actual percentages are unknown to me. It’s not something that’s particularly easy to track.

        But then what do we do about it? The wider issue is with social media and its effects on girls and young women. How do we change it? Young girls especially are vulnerable to social comparisons, starting around middle school age. We can try banning social media for young people but the effectiveness of that strategy is not yet known since we’re still early in the process.

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    Some good makeup can make you look fly even if if you like yourself

    It’s not so cut and dry as that

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      Can it make an overweight, depressed, self loathing guy in his late thirties feel fly? Asking for a friend.

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        If it makes you feel more confident and happy about what you see in the mirror, then yeah it’s going to help.

        You’d probably get some detractors who won’t be able to help making remarks but all they’re really telling you is they’re not your friend.

        You can also do something natural looking that most guys don’t recognize as ‘makeup’ but helps improve your look.

        There’s more men who do this than you might realize, e.g. anyone behind a news desk on tv

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        No, because the thing that makes a person feel good when they wear makeup is the anticipated reaction of their peers. Per modern grooming standards, straight men (assuming you are straight here) are expected not to wear make up, and thus will garner quizzical or negative reactions from the average person. You already know this, and if you didn’t, it would quickly become apparent once you started interacting with anyone. And once you noticed others’ negative judgement, you would not “feel fly”.

        Instead the way to “feel fly” is simple, if not easy - hew better to culturally agreed-upon beauty standards. Cultures and subcultures differ in exactly what this entails. But common things are wearing clean clothes without obvious wear that fit well; getting a good haircut; taking care of your skin; eating a healthy diet, getting exercise, and sleeping well to improve mood and energy levels; unabashed self-expression within cultural constraints through clothing choice, haircut, hair color, tattoos or piercings, or accessories. And, most importantly, by not being overweight.

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        It doesn’t have to be makeup, but caring for how you look can help you feel fly, too. A haircut that fits. Face treatments or creams with nice scents feel good. Finding the right products for you can make you feel good. I helped my husband find the right soap and shampoo for his skin and hair type, got him to use moisturizer and better shaving products. His acne that he had for years vanished completely, his skin is nice and smooth now and he feels so much better because all the dry skin was uncomfortable. He also goes to a barber shop now that massages his head and gives him a haircut and beard trimming and he loves having a little spa time.

        It won’t magic magically cure your depression or reduce your weight, but it will help you feel better in your body.

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        Go to the gym, it will make a world of difference. Lifting weights is not even difficult (like cardio, I hate cardio and never do it). But the extra muscles will help burn fat and make you want to eat better to get nice gains.

        You are not going to be depressed when you start to get a nice body.

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          You are not going to be depressed when you start to get a nice body.

          Lol

          LMAO, even.

          I dropped from ~300 to 167lbs between april 2014 and March 2015, I had a 6 pack and had more energy than I ever had in my adult life.

          Still depressed as fuck.

          Being in shape won’t fix your psychological problems.

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            Depends very much on the source of those problems. Looking better can absolutely help in most cases. Maybe not for you.

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      Fair enough, there’s most probably some room for ethical consumption of cosmetics and make up. But by far, the large majority of this industry is driven by the capitalist need for consumption and misogyny

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    If they woke up with their mind changed, then they can wake up the next day with it changed back. The machine is hungry, and its propaganda is relentless