Someone had to betray Jesus so that he could be crucified. Without the betrayal by Judas it wouldn’t have happened. In John 17:12, Jesus calls Judas “the son of destruction/perdition” and that he was “doomed to destruction so Scripture would be fulfilled," which suggests that Judas was chosen and had no real choice in the matter.
I’m pretty sure the commonly-held view is that he had free will, that he was guilty afterwards etc, and I’m sure there are passages that support that, but I always felt he was hard done by.
Well that’s not really in there, he is often described as an adversary. But it is notable that there are many times where he is used by god in a necessary way.
It’s a good goal. I was raised religious but actually left dogmatic religion precisely because I read the bible, and then parts of other religious literature from other faiths.
To me, it’s often too “of the times.” It doesn’t grow, and doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of time
Someone had to betray Jesus so that he could be crucified. Without the betrayal by Judas it wouldn’t have happened. In John 17:12, Jesus calls Judas “the son of destruction/perdition” and that he was “doomed to destruction so Scripture would be fulfilled," which suggests that Judas was chosen and had no real choice in the matter.
I’m pretty sure the commonly-held view is that he had free will, that he was guilty afterwards etc, and I’m sure there are passages that support that, but I always felt he was hard done by.
It’s the same idea as the actual Satan in the bible who is mostly just a dude given tasks by god to tempt people.
So the Devil is a good person? And it’s only you if you do what they suggest are bad?
Well that’s not really in there, he is often described as an adversary. But it is notable that there are many times where he is used by god in a necessary way.
Interesting. I am thinking I should really learn more about the bible, not out of a desire to believe but more as a desire to learn.
It’s a good goal. I was raised religious but actually left dogmatic religion precisely because I read the bible, and then parts of other religious literature from other faiths.
To me, it’s often too “of the times.” It doesn’t grow, and doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of time
Thank you for this.
Very interesting and I would agree that based solely on this information I would say bro was hard done by.
Also, intrigued by the idea of free will if he was given this task to complete.