My bro in law sells boba tea supplies from Taiwan to all your favorite boba tea stores.
He had a container that he was about to send but cancelled it because his margin is less than 10% and his stores he supports also runs a lean margin.
Last week he decided to close one of his warehouses in Portland, letting go of 20 people and a few hundred stores that depend on him.
When asked why he doesn’t just up the price, he said that if he did, the mass majority of the stores he supports won’t make it and the Oregon warehouse is barely breaking even.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
ouch, this always hurts. I choose to still have empathy with him, even if he did make a extremely stupid decision.
It’s not like it would’ve made a difference in Oregon. There’s like only a couple 100000 swing voters that really matter when it comes to the presidency. (Local issues might still make it worth coming out for tho).
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
what, like Oregon could’ve gone 70% democratic instead of 55%?
He is registered in the outskirts of Clark County in NV. His vote counted there.
His vote WOULD HAVE counted there, HAD THEY BOTHERED.
Emphasis mine.
His vote, or more correctly, his choice not to vote, definitely still counted, just not in the way we would have preferred.
I’m pretty sure “Spice Melange” is trolling. Idk how someone would understand and enjoy the plot of Dune (assuming the book because IDK if they even used that term in the movies) with this poor of an understanding of how trade works.
One of the book details not carried through to the movie is the Baron’s plan to put Rabban in charge initially to fuck shit up and make everybody hate him, and then hand Arrakis over to Feyd-Rautha who would seem like a savior since he (supposedly) wouldn’t be as big of a dick as Rabban. Trump-to-Vance may have a similar arc.
This person very clearly understands what is happening, hence the second sentence. It’s just phrased in a way to not immediately cause magas to engage in their rejecting of reality at the site of criticism.
They are quite literally in a cult.
The cognitive dissonance underlying their worldview is being exposed and demonstrated, and they are very obviously unable to fully reconcile basic logic and empirical reality with the idea that dear leader is a madman, and that they are cult thralls of a madman, and that he is doing exactly what he said he would do, and that they are fools for trusting in him.
Delusional cult members do not have coherent, consistent worldviews, they are full of contradictions, which are usually squelched by thought terminating cliches, highly emotional motivated reasoning (ie, ‘faith’), having your own identity and personality be heavily intertwined with and dependant on the cult.
They would have to be deprogrammed like former Heavens Gate cult members or something similar.
Their minds will likely never function reasonably again. While some may be able to pull themselves out of it, similar to someone raised in a fundamentalist setting who deconverts via thorough critical skepticism… most of them are not capable of that, and will instead seek to blame shift to protect their own egos.
… Thats all to say, this person seemingly logically putting it together… but also not accepting their own logic?
This is quite normal for a cult member.
Lots and lots of cults do lots and lots of social conditioning to make the cult member accept or ignore or deflect from any objective criticisms.
That is basically what all religious apologetics is, after all.
There’s been studies that far right fascist supports have a smaller “empathy” section to their brain. You have to know how to approach soaking to someone like that. They only care about stuff when it affects them. In order to reach these people, you need to highlight that these things ARE hurting them, and it will continue to get worse.
You are describing most of my family.
I have degrees in Econ and Poli Sci.
I explained everything to them, how it would hurt them, in detail, for years.
Didn’t work.
I now live many states away from them, seeing as the last time I talked to my dad he was full QAnon bonkers, and also building ghost guns (untraceable AR 15s and AR 18s) in his garage.
Logic doesn’t work when too much of their personal identity is wrapped into the cult identity.
last time I talked to my dad he was full QAnon bonkers, and also building ghost guns (untraceable AR 15s and AR 18s) in his garage
Might be worth getting him to supply you a couple before the magats go full kristallnacht on everyone they think is a “Lib” (or LGBTQ, or black, or brown or, or or…)
… I haven’t talked to him in years because he is a dangerous lunatic, abusive narcissist asshole who’s fucked over my life and the lives of other people he supposedly cares abouy many times, he was already great at lying and gaslighting before Trump came along.
If I felt I needed such a weapon, I could assemble one myself.
But there’s really no point to going to all the trouble he did to avoid serial numbers… unless you actively plan on picking up a bunch of weapons charges in addition to the charges for whatever crime you committed with the gun…
… unless you are astonishingly lucky and/or good at opsec and concealing whatever you actually use the weapon for… and can successfully dump/destroy then weapon, and have a good alibi, etc etc…
He… also doesn’t seem to realize that… he still had to buy parts and assemble them… and all those parts can be traced … he wasn’t getting recievers and milling/tapping tools and shit shipped to him cross country via a cash transaction lol, he was using a card, online, and even if he was using dark web crypto markets, which I am 99.99% sure he is too computer incompetent to figure out, well those dark web markets get hacked (by the FBI/DHS/INTERPOL) and busted fairly frequently.
He’s already got a criminal record from DUIs. If he actually ever used one of those ARs for anything other than hunting animals, even legitimate self defense, he’d end up in prison.
Errm, I’m sorry to hear that, and I hope you’re healing now you’re away from him. Apologies for triggering.
Part of me wants to yell at you for … not understanding what kind of person a QAnon nutter who makes ghost guns is…
The other part is gonna try to just say: Yeah, I legitimately have been fairly recently diagnosed with PTSD… and I’m just gonna try to calm down.
I think more people need to approach it like this. Human’s minds are designed to think with their group and resistant to change. If you actually want to change minds, insults and accusations will immediately put them into fight mode and they will defend their ideology. But if you don’t attack their ideals and approach in a friendly kind of way, it will lead them to questioning their leader’s choices. It’s hard, I know. Their leader has made some shoot-themselves-in-the-foot choices and makes their conviction an easy target to attack. Insults and attacks may even be a way of letting off steam, but if you actually want change, it has to be a smart and kinder approach. It won’t be an immediate change, but it will be gradual and large over time.
We tried being reasonable for decades and that didn’t work becsuse they want to believe the propaganda they comsume. We won’t win them over by being kinder. That only works on reasonable people who care about facts.
They can go fuck themselves.
Part of the problem is that our models of knowledge were flawed. The basis was the information deficit model; the assumption was that people were missing data, and that if they learned more they would shift their understanding.
It turns out that this isn’t a good fit for human psychology, but approaches based on it still persist today.
Another problem is a fundamental misunderstanding of world views. People on the left tend to think that equality is a good thing and should be a goal. People on the right do not believe in equality. Not in the sense that they opposed it, they literally don’t believe it is possible. So any attempt to improve the lot of the worst-off is interpreted as an attempt to disrupt the hierarchy, ultimately ending up worse off for themselves. “You’re just jealous and want to be in charge.”
I think that there are communication strategies that can work, but maybe not. Humans have suffered under hierarchy for millennia, and maybe we are too flawed as a species.
It may seem unfair that the left would have to put so much effort into communicating with the right, who doesn’t give a fuck. That’s true, but the forces of hierarchy have had many more centuries to refine their propaganda. And what the left asks is for change and growth, while the right merely asks for a return to the way humans lived for most of civilization: a powerful few getting all the benefits and most of humanity struggling to survive.
You’re not wrong, “Being reasonable” can be saying “you are wrong! And here’s why…” and as you said, that doesn’t work. And kindness doesn’t work either. I suggest we be less confrontational when trying to help them understand other views. It’s hard and nuisanced. It’s like saying “I’m not against you, but you’re choices and support are not working the way you think they are”, but in a clever way that isn’t so obvious.
Yeah, fuck these guys that are trampling over human right… but like, I also would like change to happen. Being reasonable and kind isn’t working. Neither is aggression.
And this attitude will only continue to cement their position against reason…congrats, you have fucked yourself
We tried being reasonable for decades and that didn’t work
Inviting the individual while painting them all with a broad brush is not helpful. Individuals can be reached.
You’re right. Addressing the group doesn’t work. So stop doing that.
